Is Flickr’s new “Request to License” feature via Getty Images a big deal? For Flickr, it’s a feature that aids their competitive positioning. For Getty, it just adds to their efforts to bring more images to the market. For a photographer, it’s just the chance to make money where there was really no chance before, without any extra effort. And that’s fine. It is what it is.

Available for Request to License
The middle line is what’s new.

On the Flickr Blog,

Starting today in the Flickrverse, Flickr members and visitors can work with each other through a new program with Getty Images called “Request to License”. We’ve built this program on the success of our launch of the Flickr Collection on Getty Images just over one year ago.

Finally.

The original Flickr / Getty deal was a wasted opportunity for innovation in stock photography.

But perhaps it was just a start, the minimum viable product, the necessary first step towards a broader integration. Finally, with this announcement, Flickr and Getty take the next step towards curating photos rather than curating photographers.

But is it a big deal?

As Rob Haggart at A Photo Editor notes on the new Flickr / Getty opportunity,

Giving people the option to buy instead of steal or CC license images is a good thing. It’s only a bad thing if you’re a Flickr photographer who thinks selling images to Getty actually leads somewhere (see BBC Story).

See, here’s the thing. Right now, this is a feature, not a venture. I doubt Getty or Flickr are expecting massive sales out of it, and I’d bet they’ve set expectations accordingly. The goal is to make it possible for someone to buy what they might otherwise steal.

It’s actually a stronger offering as a competitive strike against Flickr’s competitors, combining the social, community nature of the site with the opportunity, however slight, to sell what might have otherwise been stolen. If they continue the partnership with a digital watermarking and enforcement engine, then that’s more powerful.

It fits within the broader trend of unbundling the stack of services in the photography industry taking an image from idea to buyer, by bringing more images under the realm of “available to buy”.

But for an individual photographer, it’s not a serious opportunity. It isn’t intended for any photographer that is trying to evaluate which stock agency to use to distribute their images. It’s for the photographer that already uses Flickr and is now a little happier that they *might* make a little money. And it’s certainly nothing any photographer interested in selling stock licenses should really care about, except for the fact that it only continues the price pressures in the industry.

It’s just the chance to make money where there was really no chance before, without any extra effort. And that’s fine. It is what it is.

Recap from CEPIC, coming soon.

Updated June 23
Jonathan Warren wrote an interesting anaylsis about the Flickr “Request to License” feature in his post The Getty Monster, focusing on Getty’s 70% commission from image sales via this feature. Of note:

Now Getty doesn’t have editors crawling Flickr what exactly are they doing for their 70% cut? Before digital cameras came on the scene photographers would send agencies their slides or negatives, the agency would scan or print them, touch them up and make any colour corrections before sending them on to clients as digital files or prints. They would negotiate sales with clients and at the end of the month they would send the photographer a sales sheet showing what had sold to who and for how much. For this work agencies would take a 50/50 cut of the sales, more generous agencies gave photographers a 60/40 cut.

So now photographers are capturing their files digitally, making adjustments on their computer, captioning and keywording files before uploading them to Flickr. And all Getty are doing for their massive 70% cut is negotiating a price when someone asks and sending the invoice. That doesn’t sound like a fair deal for photographers who are doing more than 70% of the work.

Honestly, the fact is that Getty can take a 70% cut, so they will. The vast majority of photographers using Flickr aren’t using it to sell but to share; it’s a social exercise, not a commercial enterprise. People adjust, caption and keyword for themselves and their friends, not for Getty. Any sales are gravy.

Any comparison to the old 60/40 split is irrelevant. Uploading and making an image available to buy on Flickr is an entirely different exercise than attempting to sell through a stock agency. But more fundamentally, we all know it’s a very different market for images than it used to be. The old split made sense in the old market. The new split makes sense in today’s market. That’s how change works.

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  • http://www.socialphototalk.com Aaron Hockley

    Your comments seem accurate and similar to some of my observations when I wrote about this on Social Photo Talk. That said, I do see one potential snafu. I can't help but wonder how many folks might have made an informal license request previously by contacting the Flickr user directly, now might end up in the Getty process, decide it's not worth the overhead/hassle, and abandon the deal.

    I'm not sure. It's a “what if” scenario that might not be all that common. But I wonder…

  • Holgs

    The interesting thing to watch will be whether there is a reduction in images available under the Creative Commons type licenses as a result of users attracted to the prospect, however remote, of earning some money thorugh their images.

  • http://www.taylordavidson.com/writing/ Taylor Davidson

    I think that's a corner case, to be honest. The way the license process works, it's up to the photographer to approve the license request. The photographer has to remember if they've licensed the image before, and under what terms. I don't think the overhead for the photographer is really that much.

    Training a new licensing photographer what a RF license means may be harder :)

    Maybe more people licensing images will help more people understand copyright!

  • http://www.taylordavidson.com/writing/ Taylor Davidson

    Definitely. A potential reduction in @creativecommons licenses is a pretty interesting angle I hadn't considered.

    Side question: can a CC license be retracted? Can images previously licensed as CC open use be pulled back for more restrictive licenses? #lazyweb

  • http://www.socialphototalk.com Aaron Hockley

    Good point. I probably identified a corner case within the corner case that is licensing via Flickr. :)

  • http://www.socialphototalk.com Aaron Hockley

    Your side question actually gets to a tricky CC issue. A license can't be retracted, but there's an interesting legal scenario that comes into play if a photographer changes the license. Here's the tricky scenario:

    - photographer licenses a photo under CC (on Flickr or otherwise)
    - someone uses that photo in accordance with the CC license
    - photographer then changes the license of that photo to something more restrictive
    - photographer then finds the person using the photo (in a situation which is outside of the new, more restrictive licensing terms)
    - photographer decides to pursue action against the person using the photo.

    Unless the person using the photo can somehow prove that the photo was CC when they obtained it, it could get into a bit of a sticky situation…

  • http://www.taylordavidson.com/writing/ Taylor Davidson

    Given the amount of pretty open @creativecommons licenses on images out there, that is *not* a corner case :)

  • http://reciprocity-failure.blogspot.com Stanco55

    As you say, Getty is taking the 70% because it can. It is a different market- but does that always mean that it has to be to the detriment of the creative for “change” to be effective. True change would mean that something has, in fact, fundamentally changed- as in a photographer actually coming out slightly more ahead than before. Getting screwed even more so is not change, its simply an ongoing continuation…

  • http://reciprocity-failure.blogspot.com Stanco55

    As you say, Getty is taking the 70% because it can. It is a different market- but does that always mean that it has to be to the detriment of the creative for “change” to be effective. True change would mean that something has, in fact, fundamentally changed- as in a photographer actually coming out slightly more ahead than before. Getting screwed even more so is not change, its simply an ongoing continuation…

  • http://www.taylordavidson.com/writing/ Taylor Davidson

    “True change would mean that something has, in fact, fundamentally changed- as in a photographer actually coming out slightly more ahead than before.”

    “Change” is change regardless of who wins or loses or gets a higher allocation of the economics.

    And there are opportunities here for the creative, just not in content: http://bit.ly/contextcontent

  • http://www.taylordavidson.com/writing/ Taylor Davidson

    “True change would mean that something has, in fact, fundamentally changed- as in a photographer actually coming out slightly more ahead than before.”nn”Change” is change regardless of who wins or loses or gets a higher allocation of the economics.nnAnd there are opportunities here for the creative, just not in content: http://bit.ly/contextcontent

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