This hullabaloo about Please Rob Me and Foursquare? All part of the technological, cultural and business development cycle. Instead of getting hysterical, recognize the point it proves and let the innovation cycle continue on.

My comment in response to Alan Patrick, Rob, Rob me do!

The best thing about stuff like Please Rob Me? It creates the reasons and incentives for developers to create location-based-services with greater granularity and control, and perhaps provides incentives for users to actually pay for LBS, as long as users can see the upside of using LBS services.

Think of it like credit fraud protection: we all know credit cards can be hacked and stolen, our identities stolen or faked, but we use these services because of the upside they bring us every day.

When users can see, measure and value the upside impact, then we’ll see some truly robust location-based-services. This is part of the development cycle.

Location-based services, stuff like Foursquare, the downside and upside of public personal data, and the nature of technological and cultural privacy? It’s early days, people.

Alan, btw, has written *extensively* about privacy and location-based services (and many, many other topics) from many, many angles over the years on his Broadstuff blog, a voice of reason guaranteed to cut through the BS. If you’re interested in an older post with a great comment conversation between Ethan, Alan and I, check out The emerging risks of privacy abuse in location based services.

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  • http://www.frogblog.biz Fred H Schlegel

    Granular control. Absolutely. Giventhe number number of organizations that already know when we're away from home base (airlines, credit card companies, cell phone carriers, google maps, email hosts…) the opportunity for the criminally intense will continue to grow. Obvious intrusions identify weaknesses in unexpected locations.

    Also an opportunity for ADT Security. ;)

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Clinton-Schaff/3423629 Clinton Schaff

    I don't wanna get robbed. Things have me considering a serious shift away from being open.

  • http://www.taylordavidson.com/writing/ Taylor Davidson

    Lol. Granularity, man. Just don't push everything to completely public web…

  • http://www.taylordavidson.com/writing/ Taylor Davidson

    ADT security :) Kinda like Lifelock; i.e., security so good, you can publish your key personal info and it won't get used / security so good, you can publish your physical location free of worry about your valuables at home.

  • http://www.wjingalls.zenfolio.com/ William James Ingalls

    Spot on man! I used to say this about all the times people were being kidnaped, assaulted, arrested, busted, or otherwise harmed because of their own stupidity. Like you say an evolution in controls and anonymity will come, like the newer privacy controls that Facebook has. The problem is that stupid people do stupid things. I cannot tell you how many friends I have that do not lock down info that they don't want floating around the internet. I guess my final thought is that people who understand technology like you and me will still be hearing headline news stories long after these services exist.

  • http://www.taylordavidson.com/writing/ Taylor Davidson

    Well, I want to be clear: I'm not advocating making everything more private: I'm advocating better systems that measure the upside and downside of making “thought-to-be-private” information explicitly public. That's the only way we'll grow to understand the power of private-to-public, default-to-public, serendipity, etc.

    (and: don't blame technology, because the real culprit are people, by how we create and use technology.)

  • skmann

    My thought is that most criminals aren't intelligent enough to connect LBS with criminal activity, and the one's who are intelligent enough…well, they'll take care of business regardless.

  • http://www.taylordavidson.com/writing/ Taylor Davidson

    Never underestimate people :)

  • jimgoldstein

    Online privacy is an illusion and it certainly becomes less of a reality with the more LBS you opt into. Whether the information is publicly available or there for the company whose service you're using to access you're inherently losing privacy. What value it provides is questionable. We'll see how it evolves.

  • http://www.taylordavidson.com/writing/ Taylor Davidson

    I'll return to a comment I left on Alan's previous post: “Fact is we don't really have the metrics to value the upside or downside of sharing. “Where's my regression function for valuing the costs and benefits of sharing/selling different bits of information?”"

    That value is questionable now, but it won't be forever. I believe we're currently under-valuing the benefits of public information. The key, of course, is for us to control what we “lose” …

  • jimgoldstein

    There are two interesting aspects of privacy on this subject.
    1. Risk vs Reward in relation to how much you divulge to your network
    2. Risk vs Reward in relation to how much you reveal to the companies leveraging your data.

    Individual privacy in the traditional sense among your peers is often a concern. Stalkers being the most noteworthy subject of discussion as was noted in Andrew Hyde's post Committing Location Based Suicide.

    Enterprise privacy (for lack of a better term) in which people accept giving their personal information away to be used to enhance a product/offering. I'm curious at what point people will catch on to the value of their information and make companies pay for it or at least work for it. Then again perhaps that will be isolated to super users who are able to monetize their larger network of followers. Micro-channels of advertising and trust to catalyze activity.

  • http://www.taylordavidson.com/writing/ Taylor Davidson

    How many people do you know where personal and professional is blurred? The division isn't that clear between “my network” and “companies”.

    People making companies pay for their info? Relative bargaining power, collective action, etc. = not likely.

    There has been a great discussion about privacy, etc. on the Project VRM mailing list the last couple days. Fascinating, but at a level that I'm just not concerned with. All I want to do is create, nudge, use services that test the edge or private and public information, because we can debate what people want / don't want, but the marketplace will show us.

  • http://www.taylordavidson.com/writing/ Taylor Davidson

    How many people do you know where personal and professional is blurred? The division isn’t that clear between “my network” and “companies”.rnrnPeople making companies pay for their info? Relative bargaining power, collective action, etc. = not likely.rnrnThere has been a great discussion about privacy, etc. on the Project VRM mailing list the last couple days. Fascinating, but at a level that I’m just not concerned with. All I want to do is create, nudge, use services that test the edge or private and public information, because we can debate what people want / don’t want, but the marketplace will show us.

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