Could it be possible to apply the idea of a private equity turnaround firm to early-stage startups?

Perhaps instead of figuring out how to fund new startups, perhaps more effort, time and money should go to buying and re-directing startups that are floundering and close to failing.

Obviously the funding and operating model would have to be very different, simply because traditional private equity turnarounds focus on taking on debt, slashing costs and cleaning up free cash flow; but perhaps there is a model for taking on and operating floundering startups. Structuring the acquisition transactions are likely to be sticky, the secondary market for startups is a difficult nut to crack and I’ll admit that much of the value of an early-stage startup are in the core people who may have little interest in sticking around; but it’s an idea worth considering, regardless for the simple reason that opaque, illiquid and inefficient markets (like the secondary market for startups) often provide the best opportunities for creative investors willing to get their hands dirty.

I posed the question What would it take to start a “floundering startup” buyout firm? on Twitter as an afterthought and got some interesting responses; of note:

From Patrick Hadfield,

patrickhadfield @tdavidson Money. And guts! And maybe more money… (link)

And probably more guts…

From Marc Vermut,

mvermut @tdavidson capital; a team of experienced entrepreneurs; engineers; focused strategy; humility; strong biz dev + marketing #whytheyflounder (link)

And Scott Lundgren,

capitalfellow @tdavidson I’m thinking you need a team of turnaround artists, a good negotiator, cash to start a floundering startup buyout firm (link)

Agreed on the need for capital, humility, a focus and strong business development ties; so, what’s the arbitrage?

Marc:

mvermut @tdavidson @capitalfellow: experience, adequate financing and relationships = better execution multiple (link)

I agree; and I think breaking the opportunity down into experience, relationships and financing helps one frame the operating model and investment thesis for a venture buyout firm.

Jay Cuthrell (@qthrul) provided links to relevant examples over on Friendfeed, pointing out the startup collaboration network The Swop, the technology spinout investment firm Garnett & Helfrich Capital and Startup Junkyard, a potential market for startup assets.

My thought:

@qthrul my bet would be that there must be market opp other than death by down rounds or death by sale to big corp (link)

Matthew Ward chimed in later;

hellodelight @tdavidson Go to the oracle… http://bit.ly/2CtBvQ I think the arbitrage from flounder-er comes from patient capital + decent fundamentals (link)

Perhaps, but turning around companies with cash flow is a very different game than jump-starting new companies. The “fundamentals” for emerging companies (pre-revenue or pre-profit) and established companies (revenues and predictable cashflow, shaky profits) are very different. Venture capital and private equity are two very different styles of investing; similarly, a startup buyout firm and a private equity turnaround firm would operate two very different operating and financial models.

Matthew added:

hellodelight @tdavidson Agreed 100%. That’s why I think Buffett is a good example. Fundamentals are key so that your $ + mgmt can actually help (link)

So, the key requirements are a) a management team of experienced entrepreneurs with a broad skill set and deep relationships and b) money.

But how much money? Who are the other buyers in this market? What terms would the prior investors require?

A venture buyout firm would provide an option for entrepreneurs from selling to big companies and could compete by structuring transactions with less cash up front, but the potential for a larger earnout. Obviously this wouldn’t attract all entrepreneurs (especially the “built-to-flip” variety), but as long as the terms are competitive enough to be a viable option, you’d attract (self-select) the types of entrepreneurs you would really want.

How different is this than Series A investing? For one, Series A investors aren’t looking to invest in turnarounds but to provide capital to jump-start promising businesses. The operating model and risks are different and the transaction and investment terms would have to be structured very differently. There would likely be a mix of situations where you a) retained management under a new ownership and compensation structure and b) replaced management and operated the company directly.

Of course, the biggest question: could it work? Or is this just another random idea I should discard quickly?

Updated: Even as I posted this, I was sure it had been thought of and tried before; thank you to Darren Herman for providing his thought from a couple years ago.

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  • davidwaugh

    I think it's a great idea. One model might be for the owner/operator to “buy” the turnaround artist's services by giving them a stake in the company. It's a way for entrepreneurs at heart (possibly lacking that “big idea”) to buy into someone else's idea using their own intellectual capital. The money would likely have to come from the turnaround operator, unless of course they turned around and sold part of their stake in the company to an angel investor (who might be more comfortable investing with a trusted turnaround magician at the helm). Am I making sense? (Probably should have stuck to 140 characters!)

  • http://blog.ryancoleman.ca ryancoleman

    I think it could work as has been mentioned it would take some serious guts and a very sharp team.

    You'd probably find some VC groups willing to entertain this idea if they get some preference in following rounds etc. – i.e. when they've got companies that they still believe in the idea but are on the fence about putting more money in they may be willing to let a turnaround group come in, put their own money up to reseed and then be first in line to be able to re-up should the company make it out the other side.

    There's probably also a market for entrepreneurs who have just lost the drive but the company still has potential where they'd be open to a group coming in and turning it around.

    There'd also be some opportunity for mixing and matching companies (i.e. picking up to related companies and combining them to make the proper service)

    Heck, I'm sure there's guys out there already doing this discreetly…

  • http://www.davidsanger.com David Sanger

    1) still a great idea, failure to implement
    2) still a great idea, timing is wrong
    3) not such a good idea after all

    the key would be finding startups of type 1) with principals who are willing (smart/humble/motivated enough) to stay around yet cede management & implementation control.

  • http://www.taylordavidson.com/writing/ Taylor Davidson

    Spot on; and after thinking about it, I'm not sure it's possible to get the deal flow to make it work.

  • http://www.taylordavidson.com/writing/ Taylor Davidson

    After a bit of thought I'm thinking it would be difficult for a fund, more possible for an independent entrepreneur, but it would all depend on the situation. Maybe we're asking for too many stars to align :)

    “There'd also be some opportunity for mixing and matching companies (i.e. picking up to related companies and combining them to make the proper service)”

    That's probably the real play, to be honest.

  • http://twitter.com/cschultz Chris Schultz

    I don't know that it was “floundering” per-se, but Blinksale was just purchased from the original founders and Brian Oberkirch is now the Managing Director, and I would hazard to say that it is a bit of a turn-around effort.

    I think this is an interesting concept. An investment banker once told me that there is much more opportunity in the area of startups that are at $500,000 – $1,000,000 in revenue, and struggling to grow to 10 mil +, than in early stage.

    Take a look at Internet Brands (http://www.internetbrands.com/ib) this is precisely what they do.

    Great thoughts.

  • http://www.taylordavidson.com/writing/ Taylor Davidson

    I should have noted that the example of Blinksale was in the back of
    my mind as I wrote this post (and I even used Blinksale today, in
    fact). As I noted to Ryan, I think the investment thesis is strong,
    but more applicable for an independent entrepreneur than a fund.
    Since each turnaround opportunity would require a very specific set of
    overlaps of needs / gaps / skills / opp for the deal to work, my
    hypothesis is that it would be difficult to get the deal flow
    necessary to make it an attractive thesis for a fund. The investment
    model simply wouldn't scale the same way as it does for traditional
    private equity.

    As for your second point: agreed, completely. Harder to do, bigger
    opp for “execution multiple”.

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